Some people say the IH's shift hard, but if kept adjusted, and you don't get in a hurry the IH is OK. Deere rides better than the 1086. Did you check the screen in the main hydraulic pump? Of course the pressure drops. In this episode, I get to work on the SCV valves while I am waiting for parts for the rockshaft housing. If there is a noticable change then the pump is the problem. The diagram below shows the auxiliary hydraulic outlet on a 4430. The standby pressure can be tweeked to 2350 psi and this helps. Group 35 Selective Control Valve, Breakaway Couplers, and Remote Cylinders Front tire: 10.00-16. Did you try the load and depth control knob on the side of console? "description":"Discussion of 4430 3-point lift adjustment in the John Deere Tractors forum followed by comments. I tried tightening down the nut in different spots but it doesnt help, the Clevis end on the linkage is already pulled in And I need about an inch more. There were many changes to 73 and 74 model tractors to correct the starting problems that resulted from the lack of adequate fuel to start. I'm thinking I'm alright..unless there's a typo on that too.. I adjusted each valve with the adjusting plate. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. So adjust one side of the valve at a time? Delivery: Download link will appear on the checkout page after payment is complete.Will also be sent to your email, Sections Include: Ok. You will need a JD tech. The 7700 has the two 12 V batteries. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. I thought it had a very quiet cab. Air is a good idea, never even thought about doing a bench test before I put it on. Just thinking while I watch it snow. Group 15 Seat }, "name": "Onefarmer" I'm thinking I'm alright..unless there's a typo on that too.. done to our 4430 several years ago when we had it overhauled, offset the bushings. Thanks Tim! "interactionStatistic": { "@type": "WebPage", "width": 200, I started out looking for a second 4430, but the price difference steered me towards the 10. "@type":"DiscussionForumPosting", Section 50 Power Train ", Anybody know whats going on? Most of them schucked the rear ends out soon afterward. So adjust one side of the valve at a time? Sorry about that, it's a Quadrange. I have a loss of flow between the filter relief valve housing and the inlet of the front pump. They changed the later 4430's and you didn't need to adjust the valve. "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", I installed all new valves, o-rings and back-up rings. You can find them from online vendor ads and auctions or get a new copy from JD. the clutches last a long time. the test ports on the pressure control valve all have about 150 psi.except the cooler test port it only shows about 20 psi at any rpm does this sound right? Reconnect hydraulic tube to control valve fitting. Full dimensions and tires . SCV #2 is fine. Compatible with: All Windows Systems The Load shaft lever by your foot at the bottom of the hydraulic lever console must be in the bottom position to first adjust whether the rockshaft lifts to the highest position and lowers all of the way down. It wasn't so cheap. Good Luck! The #1 SCV is behind a power beyond kit. Location: St. Johns Mi. "userInteractionCount": 9 If it"s the original pump (which is not likely) it"s the prime suspect. I put it on today and everything works as it should. pump had? Section 20 Engine SE Nebraska The thread from yesterday about the hard starting 4430 got me to wondering. "height": 57 There it says a more exceptionable: I'm assuming that was a typo and 0.028 is correct? My two main tractors right now are a 4430, and a 1086. }, Group 20 Power Steering Sorry I should have made it clear I am speaking of the older SCV under hood on new generation tractors. see manual for details Did you try the load and depth control knob on the side of console? I would personally recommend looking for a 4440, but they will bring $8000 to $10,000 more than a 4430. Section 40 Electrical System Group 05 General Information Install the destroking screw, then cap the line in front of the valve bock on the right side of the trans case. I don't need to put my adjusting plate back on correct? manual as it's a little complicated. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. It just depends on the shape of the pumps. Don't get me wrong, I believe the piston thing also. You need to have a fitting to screw into the valve since the couplers are not with it. I have a tap for the newer ones, and I was going to post the numbers,,,but they are worn off..Darn it,, I think it's in the tech manual.. JD Tech Publications Brandon,if moving the L&D conrol which is by your right heel sitting in seat to D doesn't help then lift needs to be adjusted internally. "text": "I have just rebuilt the SCV's on my 4430 tractor. manual as it's a little complicated. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. The whole thing was a fairly big job trying to keep clean and remove a few decades worth of grease and gunk from around everything. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. Brandon,if moving the L&D conrol which is by your right heel sitting in seat to "D" doesn't help then lift needs to be adjusted internally. Modern View Forum powered by phpBB 2001, 2005 phpBB Group. There are 2 different thread sizes, the early injectors with the pressure line going in at an angle are a different thread than the straight ones..same size, different thread.. smokers), fishing, power tools, history. Group 25 Specifications and Special Tools The engine on a 4430 will last to 10000 to 14000 hrs with not much care. The final drive and rear axel on the 4430 could be a problem with duals and the pump turned up. ", hi we have most of the 66 series we baled with either a 1066 0r 966 for twenty years. "image": { Thanks Tim! Group 30 Rockshaft and Implement Hitches Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our. I saw quite a few split in two at the local dealership in Albany. Thanks guys, I got the valves adjusted. I used a ball valve to restrict flow and output remained consistent until the bypass kicked in about 100 psi. a 4630 will go to about 8000 hrs. Did not even know it was there. "mainEntityOfPage": { Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. Welcome! The local pump guru knew just the thing in the Roosa pump to fix that. "author": { Group 30 Specifications Group 15 Diesel Fuel System I still am partial to the ihs but have lost most of my hearing in the international cabs and i am not 40 yet. Group 40 Differential Group 05 General Information and Diagnosis Group 05 Air Conditioning System I have a tap for the newer ones, and I was going to post the numbers,,,but they are worn off..Darn it,, I think it's in the tech manual.. Pretty much the same power plant but what's up. "width": 200, Group 45 Final Drive Group 05 General Tractor Specifications Please use the navigational links to explore our website. The transmission shifting mechanism did need rebuilding. Did you try the load and depth control knob on the side of console? }, "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", ", He said consider it choked. oil exits the filter relief valve housing and had 5 gallons in 30 second. So much for ancient memories. I'm loosing oil in the pressure control valve. Ok thanks for your help. I plumbed into the line where hyd. "width": 200, both makes of tractors have there good points but just for the cab i would get a jd. }, one nice thing on a ih is transport speed about 4 miles an hour faster than jd. it might be time for a starter rebuild or change over to a gear reduction starter? "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=jd&th=534454", Anyone have any ideas? Almost guarantee the valve linkage is worn out, maybe for the second time. Group 20 John Deere Starting Circuit Both cabs are equally quiet, the Deere may be a little easier to enter and exit, (I have the later cloth seat) the IH is roomier. Purchase from. If I am in 4th or 5th gear for instance and I am under load the tractor will appear to drop out of gear and will come to a stop. I'm down to adjusting the valves and in the JD Service Manual on Specifications page it says: There are 2 different thread sizes, the early injectors with the pressure line going in at an angle are a different thread than the straight ones..same size, different thread.. Group 20 Speed Control Linkage it is now showing just over 15,000 hours. There seem to be a lot of them out there and priced right if you really look, just my $0.000000002. I believe the 10's used less fuel, too. Should have this thing running before to long. on it, It only has about 1,000 more now. I hope it's the right one. "description":"Discussion of JD 4430 SCV ? I put in a new clutch and rebuilt the hi / low about 8 years ago when the tractor had about 10,000 hrs. This tool works on the following tractors: 3010, 3020, 4000, 4010, 4020, and 4320.This tool was made from a solid pieces of 1" diameter 1018 cold rolled steel. "@type": "ImageObject", I am trying to troubleshoot my 4430 hydraulic system. I took the linkage off and used my hand to raise the 3pt works great. Usually this is noticed when someone would run an IH planter on an older 4430. }. I have 4430and it is also an ether pigstarter is fine, batteries are goodI think it is like the other posters said..its the piston configuration. Any advice on things to check on the 1-2 issue before splitting the tractor would be awesome. "headline":"JD 4430 SCV ? "dateModified": "2015-02-21", "datePublished": "2006-04-23", take it back off, set it up in a vice, fit a hose end onto an air fitting, plug it into a coupler, crack the valve handle on slowly (be ready for it to sneeze)making sure the handle is centered, there should be no oil/air escaping, adjust that side till a bit of air peeps out and then back it off a half turn, then do the other side, I should have mentioned to loosen up the cam screws a bit on each side first, then snug them when your done. searchNew Parts Search . None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. Sorry I should have made it clear I am speaking of the older SCV under hood on new generation tractors. "@type": "InteractionCounter", Group 25 Separation My brother used to have a 1086. That is the lever has at least a 6 range of motion, but the 3-point goes from all the way up to all the way down in only 1 . 270 cm. menu. same side as control lever ,just in front is a plug , screwdriver adjustment to increase gap between the valves. "width": 200, No I did not. I will first try to cheat and thread the linkage a little more an fix the spring to its proper location. "@type": "ImageObject", Unfortunately my manual is a pdf file so I can't cross out the typo. Group 20 Miscellaneous Components "@type": "ImageObject", John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Flow control 2. Some have said to just go in bung hole at rear of tractor and adjust with extension and welded or taped on socket but that is only a small part of adjustment. Helped but it still blubbers quite a bit at start up. 0.028 is correct. } I still like the internationals we use a 1256 to feed with, a 1066 to rake and grind feed, a 1566 and a 966 on the haymover . Please use the navigational links to explore our website. Group 25 Quad-Range Transmission "height": 57 in the John Deere Tractors forum followed by comments. { 0. menu. I backed the return valves off 1/8 of a turn and the pressure valves at a 1/4 turn. Somehow I must have buggered them up. TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. And it had no 1 and 2 in any range. Group 15 Hydraulic Pumps I will try that next. Should have this thing running before to long. "text": "I'm down to adjusting the valves and in the JD Service Manual on Specifications page it says: Intake= 0.018 Exhaust= 0.0028 That seemed awful close in the exhaust so I went and looked on the instruction page. While I had the housing off I took the internal linkage out and polished some burrs that I didn't like. When on the tractor, the load control arm extension positions the linkage differently than when sitting on the bench. If I run it with the three point down all the way, it works fine and doesn't get the oil hot. And I'm waiting for a tap to come in. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. when we had our 74' 4430, throwing the throttle around a few times always made the difference on starting, it loved ether too. (800) 853-2651Shop Now TRACTOR PARTS Allis Chalmers Case & David Brown Group 05 General Information You can find them from online vendor ads and auctions or get a new copy from JD. Group 25 Specifications Section 70 Hydraulic System "@type":"DiscussionForumPosting", The later ones had the cloth seat used up into the new tractors. The two gears wear and if they wear too far the oil pump will stop turning but the engine will keep running until it seizes. This important when the valves are carried in and dont have a tractor to test them on. Edited by redbloodedfarmboy 2/5/2018 19:09. https://partsadvisormobile.deere.com/app/catalogs/1295/EN/all/sectio Found the problem! }, What sort of hydraulic load(s) have been connected to the tractor? I am not nearly as talented as Tim S but do use air pressure to test any SCVs I do before sending them home. Group 60 Specifications Please use the navigational links to explore our website. (gallons per minute). I have a 4630 that wont start below 50 with out ether I put 2 12 volt batteries and hi torque starter it helped but don't park under a shade tree. The early 4430's had a manual bypass valve that had to be manually adjusted if you were running one way cylinders on number two scv (selective control valve). It was machined on a CNC lathe according to the specifications found in "I&T Shop Service manual no. John Deere 4430 attachments. The 4430 does still have the dual 6 volt setup as I just bought the tractor in the past year and I wont convert it until the batteries are shot. And I'm waiting for a tap to come in. Key question; How many hours on the engine? The thread cheat will work about once, then the arm moves so far it's a straight line pull, just won't go any farther. What do think about the cab on the JD 4430? Did not even know it was there. So look it over good. You can cheat by cutting off the end of the rod & threading the rod farther, that will give you one more adjustment before you have to pull the valve off. "headline":"4430 3-point lift adjustment", }. "publisher": { "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Im all out of adjustment on my linkage. Group 10 PTO, Perma-Clutch Yes it will work on them too, but they are not so easy to repair, as the ones on the rear. Don't have any 4430 manuals now. The internal linkage is worn out if you are out of adjustment on the rod. Just a few things to think about. The lift capacity is not so much of an ussue now that most have stopped cultivating. Most 4430's struggled to lift a 12 row cultivator. The hydroulics can be made to run fast like the Deeres, $1000 fix for both fast pumps, relief valve, and double filter kit, unless you start with the late '86 series or '88 series, then you are already good to go, you have to love the super easy steering and hydro on the Deere's. "datePublished": "2016-03-14", I need to chase the threads on the injector hole I couldn't get out until I got a slidehammer. I'm starting this thread over, the first one is on page 3 now. I will try that next. 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